Wicked Complex Podcast

Wicked Complex is an insightful podcast produced by Action Lab. This podcast delves into some of the most wicked and complex problems we face today, and the approaches used to work on them.

In our episodes, we engage with innovative thinkers and problem-solvers, dissecting complex problems and the myriad solutions being pursued. Join us as we explore what makes a problem "wicked complex" and the diverse methodologies, processes, and strategies employed to overcome these challenges. This podcast is for change makers, social innovation lab explorers, and any individual or organization keen on addressing the challenges we face today, providing insights and inspiration for those dedicated to making a difference.

Season 2: Absurdly Hopeful: How Play and Creativity Can Crack Open New Futures

In a world marked by deepening polarization, democratic erosion, and relentless uncertainty, we often believe that solving complex social problems requires grim determination and endless seriousness. But what if we've got it backwards? In this season of Wicked Complex, we explore how imagination, play, creativity, and even absurdity become radical acts of resistance. We speak with systemic designers, human-centered design practitioners, and social innovators who've discovered that playfulness isn't a luxury or distraction—it's essential fuel for meaningful change. Together, we'll ask: How do we maintain hope when the stakes feel impossibly high? What happens when we give ourselves permission to imagine differently, to laugh, to create? And how can communities in Alberta and beyond harness creativity and absurdity not as escapism, but as catalysts for transformation? This season is an invitation to reclaim lightness, joy, and play as legitimate tools for building the world we need—and for sustaining ourselves and our movements while we do.

Co-hosted by Paige Reeves and Rebecca Rubuliak.

Description of Episode 1 - Horse Hair and Urinal Flies: Humour and Absurdity in Social Change Work

In this episode, your hosts, Paige Reeves and Rebecca Rubuliak, sit down with Ben Weinlick, Executive Director of Skills Society and the visionary behind the Action Lab. They chat about the role of humor and absurdity as essential tools, not luxuries, in social change work, especially during times of austerity. LIsten in as they discuss insights from leaders and mentors, how humour and play show up in practice, stories to learn from (urinal flies, invention of cathode ray tube TV, sisyphus, the paradox of hope), and so much more!

Season 1: The Future of Labs

Season 1 of the Wicked Complex podcast features a 3 part series around the Future of Labs Gathering in May 2024, where social innovation lab practitioners from around Canada and the world will be coming together on Cortes Island in British Columbia to try and figure out what the next 10 years of lab practice might look like.

Produced and hosted by Chris Chang-Yen Phillips

Description of Episode 1 - Before

In the first half of the episode, we’ll talk to some of the people who’ve been hard at work organizing this gathering, to try to find out what labs are capable of, where they stumble, and why they feel like labs in Canada are at a crossroads. Our guests in this first conversation are Ben Weinlick (Executive Director of Skills Society), Geraldine Cahill (Director of Engagement with Social Innovation Canada) and Mark Cabaj (President of Here to There Consulting).

Then in the second half, hear how Winnipeg Boldness Project Director Diane Roussin is using labs to make sure Indigenous families have a voice in defining the problems they want to solve. You'll also learn what she’s hoping for on Cortes Island, from finding ways to build awareness of labs to paying attention to the island itself together.

Description of Episode 2 - Cortes Island

This episode is the second in a three part series around the Future of Labs Gathering in May 2024, where social innovation lab practitioners from around Canada came together on Cortes Island in British Columbia to try to figure out what the next 10 years of lab practice might look like.

Many participants lent their voices to this episode, including Rose Hanson, Brenda Hanson, Lewis Muirhead, Meghan Durieux, Rhea Kachroo, Roya Damabi, Mark Cabaj, Geraldine Cahill, Miquel de Paladella, Ben Weinlick, Sophia Ikura, Maryam Mohiuddin Ahmed and Annelies Tjebbes, Alex Ryan, Keren Perla, Aleeya Velji, Heather Remacle, Diane Roussin, Cheryl Rose, Darcy Riddell, Brent Wellsch, Rebecca McSheffery, Rebecca Rubuliak, Melanie Thomas, Sarah Lamb and Julia Dalman.

The Future of Labs - After

This episode is the third in a three part series around the Future of Labs Gathering in May 2024, where social innovation lab practitioners from around Canada came together on Cortes Island in British Columbia to try to figure out what the next 10 years of lab practice might look like.

This episode dives deep into key insights and actionable recommendations from the gathering report. The podcast guests (see below) explore what emerged during the gathering, key themes and patterns emerging in the field, and five bold recommendations for the future of Labs in Canada. 

A shoutout and thank-you to our guests for this episode:

  • Annand Ollivierre, Team Lead at J5 Design and Future of Labs participant, 

  • Rebecca Rubuliak, Director of Continuous Improvement and Innovation at Action Lab and Convenor of Future of Labs, 

  • Ben Weinlick, Founder of Action Lab and Convenor of Future of Labs, and 

  • Tim Draimin, Board Chair of Social Innovation Canada and Advisor of Future of Labs.